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« Reply #120 on: January 23, 2009, 01:32:17 AM » |
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Actually the EDs were probably the party pooper for the BNP.
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« Reply #121 on: January 23, 2009, 01:35:29 AM » |
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Or if the BNP had taken 5 more from the tories.
But they didn't.
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« Reply #122 on: January 23, 2009, 01:36:48 AM » |
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Actually the EDs were probably the party pooper for the BNP.
Gla result Conservative 1452 BNP 530 Labour Party 510 Lib Dem 234 UKIP 160 Abolish Con Charge 102 Green Party 95 English Democrat 74 On the other hand Darren ED up 54 votes which looking at the GLA result came from the tories and nearly helped the BNP win. It really is impossible to say FACT is we didnt win although this will only help motavate people for the coming months which are the biggest ever for the party |
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« Reply #123 on: January 23, 2009, 01:37:29 AM » |
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From the UAF website
What is the betting you will not be asked to destribute anti BNP leaflets ? You will be asked to distribute for the Focus Team !
No! this is a sordid attempt by the Liberals to con Anti Fashists into doing thier election work for them.
I think thats pretty spot on. The LDs have fallen apart in this area and dont have the campaigners locallly that they used to so theyre using the BNP 'threat' to rope in people who otherwise wouldn't support them. I think the idea that the LDs are not part of the political establishemtn is outdated. A vote for them here would more likely split the 'anti-BNP' vote (more accurately perhaps the non-BNP vote). I think the Conservatives will hold and BNP come second - LD votes could come as much from the Tories and put the BNP in with a chance of winning. If lots of people voted LD that is, which they wont I was not too far wrong with one of my earlier predictions. If the UAF clowns had succeeded in persuading people that only the LDs could stop the BNP, and 9 people who otherwise voted Tory decided to vote LD - result BNP gain. Did they actually do any campaigning here for the LDs in the event? I guess we shall have to wait for Duncan Borrowmans post mortem.. |
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« Reply #124 on: January 23, 2009, 01:38:57 AM » |
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Not about Labour being likely 4th he didn't.  It turns out there was quite a good reason for that! |
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"I don't think the choice is any more between Conservatives and Labour - it is now between the Tories and the Liberal Democrats"
N Clegg Esq, 1st May 2010
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« Reply #125 on: January 23, 2009, 01:39:49 AM » |
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Why do bloggers do that sort of thing?? No harm in waiting for the damn result!! |
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"I don't think the choice is any more between Conservatives and Labour - it is now between the Tories and the Liberal Democrats"
N Clegg Esq, 1st May 2010
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« Reply #126 on: January 23, 2009, 01:43:19 AM » |
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Why do bloggers do that sort of thing?? No harm in waiting for the damn result!! To bring people to there blog site first time i have gone there as it prob was for several people. Thankfully i didnt take the post serious |
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« Reply #127 on: January 23, 2009, 01:45:26 AM » |
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I don't agree Dan. Had the LibDems taken 9 more votes from the Conservatives the BNP would have won.
Well you don't know about how to beat the BNP. If anyone (UAF for example) decide how to tell people that there is only one way to beat the BNP then they (BNP) will win. All the experience across the country shows that when all the parties campaign properly the BNP do worse because they can't monopolise the understandable 'none of the above' vote. Look at Burnley as an example. It was only when the ludicrous trots left that real politics happened. And there's an expert on here who knows far more than me... |
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Darren C
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« Reply #128 on: January 23, 2009, 01:51:02 AM » |
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I don't agree Dan. Had the LibDems taken 9 more votes from the Conservatives the BNP would have won.
Well you don't know about how to beat the BNP.All the experience across the country shows that when all the parties campaign properly the BNP do worse because they can't monopolise the understandable 'none of the above' vote. Actually I do know how to beat them... but I agree they do well when the rest don't work it. However I still maintain that the LibDems saying in this case that they are the ones to beat the BNP was very counterproductive. |
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Darren C
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« Reply #129 on: January 23, 2009, 01:58:05 AM » |
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Actually the EDs were probably the party pooper for the BNP.
Gla result Conservative 1452 BNP 530 Labour Party 510 Lib Dem 234 UKIP 160 Abolish Con Charge 102 Green Party 95 English Democrat 74 On the other hand Darren ED up 54 votes which looking at the GLA result came from the tories and nearly helped the BNP win. It really is impossible to say FACT is we didnt win although this will only help motavate people for the coming months which are the biggest ever for the party I agree Leicester that June will be good for the BNP and probably their peak unless they take the Barking seat at the GE the following year, which I think they will just miss out on. It is June or never for the BNP as the demographics nationally are going against them long term, which ironicly is their main selling point. |
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The Bishop
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« Reply #130 on: January 23, 2009, 02:02:56 AM » |
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Not just that Darren but if you think (as I know you do  ) that the Tories will win the next GE, it is very likely that BNP support will decline, if only because Labour will regain ground in many of its "safe" areas. And of course electoral decline could lead to schisms, just like after 1979  |
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« Reply #131 on: January 23, 2009, 02:09:20 AM » |
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Actually the EDs were probably the party pooper for the BNP.
Gla result Conservative 1452 BNP 530 Labour Party 510 Lib Dem 234 UKIP 160 Abolish Con Charge 102 Green Party 95 English Democrat 74 On the other hand Darren ED up 54 votes which looking at the GLA result came from the tories and nearly helped the BNP win. It really is impossible to say FACT is we didnt win although this will only help motavate people for the coming months which are the biggest ever for the party I agree Leicester that June will be good for the BNP After that Darren we differ, dont compare the late 70's to todays politics a lot has changed in the UK. I personally see labour falling away as the years roll on. Yes the next few years will be good for the tories but can they turn everything that is wrong today around  ? only time will tell |
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« Reply #132 on: January 23, 2009, 02:30:24 AM » |
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In answer to multiple comments, mainly by Darren.
I presume people in here believe in democracy, so slagging us off as nearly responsible for a BNP win is total rubbish. We have a right to stand. In a ward that we have represented more than any other party in the last 25 years it is also mad to say we ahouldn't fight it hard.
Glad you mention our barcharts - the only party that put a barchart on their leaflets (apart from me reproducing a Labour one from Christchurch) was the Tories.
I would also talk to any friends you have in the local Tories about what happened at the count... but all I can say is the local Tories owe us some beers!
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« Reply #133 on: January 23, 2009, 02:48:28 AM » |
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I think the swings since last time show... us and Lab took a bit off the Tories. UKIP and EDP vote moved to the BNP.
2006
Con 798 26.78 1362 31.96 -5.18
BNP 790 26.51 601 14.10 12.41
Lab 700 23.49 937 21.98 1.50
LD 564 18.93 681 15.98 2.95
EDP 128 4.30 392 9.20 -4.90
UKIP 0 0.00 289 6.78 -6.78
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Darren C
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« Reply #134 on: January 23, 2009, 02:57:54 AM » |
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I don't think anyone would say you shouldn't stand, I hope not anyway. The point that Pete and I were making is that if you are claiming you are best placed to stop the BNP, there needs to be some truth in it or you may take votes from those who share that aim but would otherwise be voting Conservative.
I always believe in maximising the vote of your own party, not voting tacticaly to stop another. That can backfire sometimes and the 'winning here' mantra and the 'two horse race' that is the main message of your party is risky in a three or four party contest.
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